Comments for caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project http://caledinsider.org Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:07:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ Comment on About the blogger by Alex Loseman http://caledinsider.org/about-the-blogger/#comment-234 Alex Loseman Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:07:21 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?page_id=607#comment-234 I've been meaning to stay in touch with you! You are a bloody genius; your website is as awesome as your perspective is on this whole matter. What are you doing next Fall? I'm going back to UCSC, not as a student, but a revolutionary.. and I need to stay in touch with smart people if I want to get to these fat cats. You have the knowledge and talent to really stand a chance at influencing these guys to change their minds. Please get in touch with me! I’ve been meaning to stay in touch with you! You are a bloody genius; your website is as awesome as your perspective is on this whole matter. What are you doing next Fall? I’m going back to UCSC, not as a student, but a revolutionary.. and I need to stay in touch with smart people if I want to get to these fat cats. You have the knowledge and talent to really stand a chance at influencing these guys to change their minds. Please get in touch with me!

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Comment on About the blogger by Alex Loseman http://caledinsider.org/about-the-blogger/#comment-208 Alex Loseman Wed, 12 May 2010 15:21:14 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?page_id=607#comment-208 Hey Tess, I'm an undergrad from UCSC trying to save this school I've gotten myself into. I'm really impressed with everything you've collected here! Its an amazing resource I wish I'd always had throughout the year. I'm starting a site of my own pretty soon too! So if you don't mind me asking, what are your goals in all this? I'm looking for people to help me in my quest to change the way our UC spends money and make it transparent. If you're down for involvement or even just schooling me a bit I'd appreciate it. Could we chat or talk by phone sometime? Send my best to the hunger strikers if you know them and keep up the good work! Solidarity Forever Edward Alexander Loseman Hey Tess,
I’m an undergrad from UCSC trying to save this school I’ve gotten myself into. I’m really impressed with everything you’ve collected here! Its an amazing resource I wish I’d always had throughout the year. I’m starting a site of my own pretty soon too!

So if you don’t mind me asking, what are your goals in all this? I’m looking for people to help me in my quest to change the way our UC spends money and make it transparent. If you’re down for involvement or even just schooling me a bit I’d appreciate it. Could we chat or talk by phone sometime?

Send my best to the hunger strikers if you know them and keep up the good work!

Solidarity Forever
Edward Alexander Loseman

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Comment on What’s the point of UC anyway? by George Goldman http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/14/whats-the-point-of-uc-anyway/#comment-179 George Goldman Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:51:54 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=692#comment-179 One conceptual point: From Tess' blog, "Goldman said that the impact on the state of cutting funds to UC is not immediate." Not quite. The point I was trying to make was that the economic profession doesn't have the tools to estimate what this impact might be. We could estimate the impact of funding changes for the whole country, (of reductions in # of degrees, and/or less research), but not for one state. I don't think anyone could reliably estimate, if we stopped producing primary school teachers, or mechanical engineering PhDs , or if UC spent less on chemistry research, what the economic effects on the state would be. One conceptual point:
From Tess’ blog,
“Goldman said that the impact on the state of cutting funds to UC is not
immediate.”

Not quite. The point I was trying to make was that the economic profession
doesn’t have the tools to estimate what this impact might be. We could
estimate the impact of funding changes for the whole country, (of
reductions in # of degrees, and/or less research), but not for one state.
I don’t think anyone could reliably estimate, if we stopped producing primary school teachers, or mechanical
engineering PhDs , or if UC spent less on chemistry research, what the economic effects
on the state would be.

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Comment on Navigating the U.C. Budget, Without Maps by Derrick http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/16/navigating-the-u-c-budget-without-maps/#comment-174 Derrick Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:08:17 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=718#comment-174 Saw Tess' comment on the NYT piece. There's a document called the "Departmental Allocations Detail" which runs about 3500 pages, and is possibly the document spoken of. Saw Tess’ comment on the NYT piece. There’s a document called the “Departmental Allocations Detail” which runs about 3500 pages, and is possibly the document spoken of.

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Comment on About the blogger by Tess Townsend http://caledinsider.org/about-the-blogger/#comment-166 Tess Townsend Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:04:54 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?page_id=607#comment-166 I plan to blog yesterday's session tonight. I had an assignment to work on last night. Thanks for asking. I plan to blog yesterday’s session tonight. I had an assignment to work on last night. Thanks for asking.

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Comment on About the blogger by George Goldman http://caledinsider.org/about-the-blogger/#comment-164 George Goldman Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:54:32 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?page_id=607#comment-164 Did you blog yesterday's session? Did you blog yesterday’s session?

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Comment on What do you think about bonds? by Q & A with Peter Taylor, re: Bonds « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/12/what-do-you-think-about-bonds/#comment-162 Q & A with Peter Taylor, re: Bonds « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:01:02 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=681#comment-162 [...] by the UC Regents? [I realized after reading the Bond Indenture, which you can find a link to in last night's post, that the indenture introduced general revenue bonds but that UC could issue its own bonds before [...] [...] by the UC Regents? [I realized after reading the Bond Indenture, which you can find a link to in last night's post, that the indenture introduced general revenue bonds but that UC could issue its own bonds before [...]

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Comment on What do you think about bonds? by Bob Jacobsen http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/12/what-do-you-think-about-bonds/#comment-160 Bob Jacobsen Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:34:06 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=681#comment-160 A better bond rating is clearly good for the University, because it means that money can be borrowed at less cost. The money saved that way may or may not make things better for students, but that's a separate decision to be made. This issue is "at what cost?" Has what the University has done to improve its bond rating had _other_ costs that are large enough to outweigh the savings? That's definitely worth investigating. A better bond rating is clearly good for the University, because it means that money can be borrowed at less cost. The money saved that way may or may not make things better for students, but that’s a separate decision to be made.

This issue is “at what cost?” Has what the University has done to improve its bond rating had _other_ costs that are large enough to outweigh the savings?

That’s definitely worth investigating.

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Comment on Erin Gore’s Presentation by Kipu Nerek http://caledinsider.org/2010/02/03/erin-gores-presentation/#comment-146 Kipu Nerek Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:08:12 +0000 http://ucfacts.wordpress.com/?p=397#comment-146 I believe when you need a dictionary to read the first paragraph of a blog post, you really wouldn’t want to continue, especially when you’re in a rush. I believe when you need a dictionary to read the first paragraph of a blog post, you really wouldn’t want to continue, especially when you’re in a rush.

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Comment on News: UCSD hospital, Stanford’s endowment, Contract for UC researchers, employees by Stephen Kulla http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/02/news-ucsd-hospital-stanfords-endowment-contract-for-uc-researchers-employees/#comment-126 Stephen Kulla Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:35:22 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=640#comment-126 You really make good articles I would say. This is the first time I visited your site and so far I am impressed with the research you made to make this article awesome. Good Job! You really make good articles I would say. This is the first time I visited your site and so far I am impressed with the research you made to make this article awesome. Good Job!

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Comment on News: “Sports mortgages,” Student fees fund construction, Community colleges get attention but need money by Virgil Tabeling http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/04/news-sports-mortgages-student-fees-fund-construction-community-colleges-get-attention-but-need-money/#comment-121 Virgil Tabeling Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:59:57 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=645#comment-121 I'm pleased! You seem very informed about this topic and it shows. Looking forward to future posts. Cheers! I’m pleased! You seem very informed about this topic and it shows. Looking forward to future posts. Cheers!

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Comment on Finally, the last session of Wednesday’s meeting: committee on investments by Tess Townsend http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/25/finally-the-last-session-of-wednesdays-meeting-committee-on-investments/#comment-118 Tess Townsend Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:18:11 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=571#comment-118 I was familiar with the metaphor and knew the administrators weren't the first to use it, but I didn't know its specific source. Thank you for the insight. I was familiar with the metaphor and knew the administrators weren’t the first to use it, but I didn’t know its specific source. Thank you for the insight.

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Comment on Finally, the last session of Wednesday’s meeting: committee on investments by Zach Williams http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/25/finally-the-last-session-of-wednesdays-meeting-committee-on-investments/#comment-117 Zach Williams Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:16:08 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=571#comment-117 "The administrators described the process of learning about UC’s financial model with a metaphor about blind men feeling an elephant: one feels the elephant’s tail and says the elephant is a rope, another feels the elephant’s leg and asserts that the elephant is in fact a tree." This metaphor is actually based off a Chinese Chengyu or idiom. Mangren mo Xiang—Blind men feel the elephant “The administrators described the process of learning about UC’s financial model with a metaphor about blind men feeling an elephant: one feels the elephant’s tail and says the elephant is a rope, another feels the elephant’s leg and asserts that the elephant is in fact a tree.”

This metaphor is actually based off a Chinese Chengyu or idiom. Mangren mo Xiang—Blind men feel the elephant

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Comment on Finally, the last session of Wednesday’s meeting: committee on investments by Audio from Committee on Investments Meeting « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/25/finally-the-last-session-of-wednesdays-meeting-committee-on-investments/#comment-115 Audio from Committee on Investments Meeting « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:12:23 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=571#comment-115 [...] the only one available, though the other open sessions of the regents’ meeting were recorded. Read my post about the committee investments meeting. The minutes for the March regents’ meeting do not appear to be available [...] [...] the only one available, though the other open sessions of the regents’ meeting were recorded. Read my post about the committee investments meeting. The minutes for the March regents’ meeting do not appear to be available [...]

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Comment on News: “Sports mortgages,” Student fees fund construction, Community colleges get attention but need money by Bob Jacobsen http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/04/news-sports-mortgages-student-fees-fund-construction-community-colleges-get-attention-but-need-money/#comment-114 Bob Jacobsen Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:35:21 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=645#comment-114 The LA Times says that UCLA is using "student fees" for a project: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-student-funds4-2010apr04,0,1538601,print.story It says in relevant part: > In 2006, administrators launched a campaign to raise $100 > million from private contributors to pay for the $185-million > upgrade, which includes cushier seats, a high-definition scoreboard > and expanded locker rooms. But when the fundraising effort fell > victim to the recession, administrators changed the finance plan to > include $25 million from student fees. The article also quotes Student Regent Jesse Bernal: > "Students really weren't involved in the process, beyond > maybe some rubber-stamp committee," said UCLA Student > Regent Jesse Bernal. "I don't think they know enough > about it." I spent some time this morning looking for more info. The July 14, 2009 Regent's building and grounds committee minutes (not marked approved) show the initial plan: http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/regents/minutes/2009/gb7.pdf The full Regents visited it on July 16, 2009 and approved the committee recommendations (there was also a Memorial Stadium action there, so this was an interesting meeting) http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/regents/minutes/2009/board7.pdf They approved this language: > Pauley Pavilion Renovation and Expansion – preliminary plans, > working drawings, construction, and equipment – $185 million, > to be funded from gift funds ($100 million), external > financing ($60 million), Student Programs, Activities, and > Resources Center (SPARC) fee ($15 million), and Student Seismic > fee ($10 million). Primary repayment was defined: > The President be authorized to obtain external financing not to > exceed $60 million to finance the Pauley Renovation and > Expansion project listed. The President requires that: > > b. As long as the debt is outstanding, the UCLA basketball > program net revenues shall be maintained in amounts sufficient > to pay the debt service and to meet the related requirements of > the authorized financing. They also authorized borrowing to cover gifts not yet received: > The President be authorized to obtain standby financing not to > exceed $47 million and interim financing not to exceed $50 million > prior to awarding a construction contract for any gift funds not > received by that time and subject to the following conditions: > > b. Repayment of any debt shall be from gift funds. If gift funds > are insufficient, and some or all of the debt remains outstanding, > then the UCLA campus’ share of the Unrestricted Short-Term > Investment Pool (STIP) shall be maintained in amounts sufficient > to pay the debt service and to meet the related requirements of > the authorized financing. I've not found any indication that the Regents have revisited this since then, though that's not entirely conclusive; there are several mechanisms they could have used to discuss it outside the minutes-taking part of the meeting. Regent Bernal is recorded as present at the meeting. The minutes don't record the yeah's and nay's, so it's not clear who voted for and against, but it passed. It will be interesting to see what UCLA says about this tomorrow, but I think the article is pretty misleading. It gives the impression that using student fees for the project is a recent decisions based on a shortfall, or at least in some sense 'news', but it's not: Use of those fees is the original and only plan approved by the Regents. It may or may not be a good idea, but it's hard to argue that it's a surprise. The article's argument that a shortfall in gifts below the planned $100M resulted in use of $25M in student fees is just wrong, because those two numbers were in the original plan _together_. Bob Some older coverage: http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/_prv-q-a-on-budget-issues-111254.aspx http://www.dailybruin.com/articles/2009/9/30/most-funding-pauley-pavilion-will-come-donations/ http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/01/sports/la-sp-ucla-pauley1-2010jan01 http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021810aac.html The LA Times says that UCLA is using “student fees” for a project:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-student-funds4-2010apr04,0,1538601,print.story

It says in relevant part:

> In 2006, administrators launched a campaign to raise $100
> million from private contributors to pay for the $185-million
> upgrade, which includes cushier seats, a high-definition scoreboard
> and expanded locker rooms. But when the fundraising effort fell
> victim to the recession, administrators changed the finance plan to
> include $25 million from student fees.

The article also quotes Student Regent Jesse Bernal:

> “Students really weren’t involved in the process, beyond
> maybe some rubber-stamp committee,” said UCLA Student
> Regent Jesse Bernal. “I don’t think they know enough
> about it.”

I spent some time this morning looking for more info.

The July 14, 2009 Regent’s building and grounds committee minutes (not marked approved) show the initial plan:

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/regents/minutes/2009/gb7.pdf

The full Regents visited it on July 16, 2009 and approved the committee recommendations (there was also a Memorial Stadium action there, so this was an interesting meeting)

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/regents/minutes/2009/board7.pdf

They approved this language:

> Pauley Pavilion Renovation and Expansion – preliminary plans,
> working drawings, construction, and equipment – $185 million,
> to be funded from gift funds ($100 million), external
> financing ($60 million), Student Programs, Activities, and
> Resources Center (SPARC) fee ($15 million), and Student Seismic
> fee ($10 million).

Primary repayment was defined:

> The President be authorized to obtain external financing not to
> exceed $60 million to finance the Pauley Renovation and
> Expansion project listed. The President requires that:
>
> b. As long as the debt is outstanding, the UCLA basketball
> program net revenues shall be maintained in amounts sufficient
> to pay the debt service and to meet the related requirements of
> the authorized financing.

They also authorized borrowing to cover gifts not yet received:

> The President be authorized to obtain standby financing not to
> exceed $47 million and interim financing not to exceed $50 million
> prior to awarding a construction contract for any gift funds not
> received by that time and subject to the following conditions:
>
> b. Repayment of any debt shall be from gift funds. If gift funds
> are insufficient, and some or all of the debt remains outstanding,
> then the UCLA campus’ share of the Unrestricted Short-Term
> Investment Pool (STIP) shall be maintained in amounts sufficient
> to pay the debt service and to meet the related requirements of
> the authorized financing.

I’ve not found any indication that the Regents have revisited this since then, though that’s not entirely conclusive; there are several mechanisms they could have used to discuss it outside the minutes-taking part of the meeting.

Regent Bernal is recorded as present at the meeting. The minutes don’t record the yeah’s and nay’s, so it’s not clear who voted for and against, but it passed.

It will be interesting to see what UCLA says about this tomorrow, but I think the article is pretty misleading. It gives the impression that using student fees for the project is a recent decisions based on a shortfall, or at least in some sense ‘news’, but it’s not: Use of those fees is the original and only plan approved by the Regents. It may or may not be a good idea, but it’s hard to argue that it’s a surprise. The article’s argument that a shortfall in gifts below the planned $100M resulted in use of $25M in student fees is just wrong, because those two numbers were in the original plan _together_.

Bob

Some older coverage:

http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/_prv-q-a-on-budget-issues-111254.aspx

http://www.dailybruin.com/articles/2009/9/30/most-funding-pauley-pavilion-will-come-donations/

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/01/sports/la-sp-ucla-pauley1-2010jan01

http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021810aac.html

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Comment on What do you think about … by Tess Townsend http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/18/what-do-you-think-about/#comment-111 Tess Townsend Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:20:43 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=497#comment-111 Thank you for commenting. I'm sorry for the delay in posting-- your comment went straight to spam for some reason. My intention with posting that was not to suggest anything about the Wikipedia page, but to spark discussion about it. I can understand how my questions might come off as leading, however. I'll have to work on that. Thank you for commenting. I’m sorry for the delay in posting– your comment went straight to spam for some reason.

My intention with posting that was not to suggest anything about the Wikipedia page, but to spark discussion about it. I can understand how my questions might come off as leading, however. I’ll have to work on that.

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Comment on Finally, the last session of Wednesday’s meeting: committee on investments by Tess Townsend http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/25/finally-the-last-session-of-wednesdays-meeting-committee-on-investments/#comment-110 Tess Townsend Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:14:29 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=571#comment-110 I do. p.s. Sorry it took a while to approve your comment. It went to my spam folder for some reason. I do.
p.s. Sorry it took a while to approve your comment. It went to my spam folder for some reason.

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Comment on Finally, the last session of Wednesday’s meeting: committee on investments by Tess Townsend http://caledinsider.org/2010/03/25/finally-the-last-session-of-wednesdays-meeting-committee-on-investments/#comment-109 Tess Townsend Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:13:58 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=571#comment-109 Thanks! Sorry it took a while to approve your comment. It went to my spam folder for some reason. Thanks! Sorry it took a while to approve your comment. It went to my spam folder for some reason.

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Comment on Hell-raisers, Standpatters, Peacekeepers and the Meister Controversy by Bob Jacobsen http://caledinsider.org/2010/04/01/hell-raisers-standpatters-peacekeepers-and-the-meister-controversy/#comment-108 Bob Jacobsen Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:56:25 +0000 http://caledinsider.org/?p=622#comment-108 Meister's comment in *** that "the projects Jacobsen presented on were completed before 2004, thus exempting them from the Bond Indenture" is wrong, and it's a sad commentary that he didn't check before making it. The second project I presented (New Stanley) was authorized in 2002, and refinanced in Jan 2007; well after the 2004 date. Slide 18 shows this, so he should have realized it from the talk. Since I looked at the "construction projects completed in last 10 years (slide 2), about a third of the projects I studied (3 of 9) involved financing or refinancing after 2004. For the projects on the Berkeley campus that received Regental approval since January 2000, I found no factual support for Meister's thesis. It's certainly possible that things are different on a different campus, or that I missed something. I'd certainly like somebody to point to the specifics if that's the case. It's possible that things will be different in the future. Reasonable people can differ about that prediction, and how much of scarce University resources should go into making sure that it doesn't happen. But, so far, there is no evidence that's Meister is concered about something is _has_ happened, contrary to some of his language. Bob Meister’s comment in *** that “the projects Jacobsen presented on were completed before 2004, thus exempting them from the Bond Indenture” is wrong, and it’s a sad commentary that he didn’t check before making it. The second project I presented (New Stanley) was authorized in 2002, and refinanced in Jan 2007; well after the 2004 date. Slide 18 shows this, so he should have realized it from the talk. Since I looked at the “construction projects completed in last 10 years (slide 2), about a third of the projects I studied (3 of 9) involved financing or refinancing after 2004.

For the projects on the Berkeley campus that received Regental approval since January 2000, I found no factual support for Meister’s thesis. It’s certainly possible that things are different on a different campus, or that I missed something. I’d certainly like somebody to point to the specifics if that’s the case. It’s possible that things will be different in the future. Reasonable people can differ about that prediction, and how much of scarce University resources should go into making sure that it doesn’t happen.

But, so far, there is no evidence that’s Meister is concered about something is _has_ happened, contrary to some of his language.

Bob

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Comment on Commentary and Analysis by Hell-raisers, Standpatters, Peacekeepers and the Meister Controversy « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project http://caledinsider.org/faculty/#comment-69 Hell-raisers, Standpatters, Peacekeepers and the Meister Controversy « caledinsider.org: The Budget Literacy Project Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:28:21 +0000 http://ucfacts.wordpress.com/?page_id=100#comment-69 [...] **Other commentary and analysis addressing UC finances can be found on my “Commentary and Analysis” page. http://caledinsider.org/faculty/ [...] [...] **Other commentary and analysis addressing UC finances can be found on my “Commentary and Analysis” page. http://caledinsider.org/faculty/ [...]

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